Pop up IFR clearance

[sidfadc]

Hi guys

Quick question...I'm flying VFR the weather closes in fast and my only option is IFR. Can I just call ATC and request an IFR clearance to Kxxx without actually filing a flight plan? I've always wondered what the etiquette is for this procedure. Last thing I want to do with the weather closing in is start planning a flight so assume I can just call ATC and let them know I would like IFR to destination because of weather.

Thanks
Sid

[Kevin_atc]

For the purposes of pilotedge, yes- you can just request IFR from ATC without having anything filed.

In the RW, ATC should verify you have a flight plan on file for search and rescue purposes. If you don’t already have a VFR plan on file, ATC will likely have you call FSS and file one, or ATC may take the information over the frequency if they are slow.

As far as route planning, you can expect fairly simple routes when you pick up IFR in the air. You’ll likely get direct to your destination unless you are flying into a busy area.

[Keith Smith]

Kevin,

Years ago, that was true, I'd frequently have ATC ask for name and phone number for the tapes but I haven't had that happen at all in recent years, in a wide range of airspace. Instead, I'm just cleared to the destination, direct (this is usually within close proximity of the destination when I have to descend through a layer while flying VFR over the top).

[sidfadc]

ok thanks guys!

[Kevin_atc]

Kevin,

Years ago, that was true, I'd frequently have ATC ask for name and phone number for the tapes but I haven't had that happen at all in recent years, in a wide range of airspace. Instead, I'm just cleared to the destination, direct (this is usually within close proximity of the destination when I have to descend through a layer while flying VFR over the top).

That’s interesting. It may vary from region to region then because it certainly happens in Texas. Harold Rutila just recently had an instance where he wanted IFR just to punch through a small layer and then he was planning to cancel but ATC wouldn’t give it to him without having him go talk to FSS first.

[Ryan B]

Definitely area dependent.

Waaay up here if I guy wants popup IFR I will inform them if I put a FP in it will NOT have search and rescue info. Most pilots go for it but some will go to FSS and come back.

[Kevin_atc]

Definitely area dependent.

Waaay up here if I guy wants popup IFR I will inform them if I put a FP in it will NOT have search and rescue info. Most pilots go for it but some will go to FSS and come back.

Interesting!

[HRutila]

Kevin,

Years ago, that was true, I'd frequently have ATC ask for name and phone number for the tapes but I haven't had that happen at all in recent years, in a wide range of airspace. Instead, I'm just cleared to the destination, direct (this is usually within close proximity of the destination when I have to descend through a layer while flying VFR over the top).

I had thought the same, but ZFW has made me call FSS multiple times in the last several months. The TRACONs around here don't seem to care at all, but when it comes to flying in Ft. Worth Center airspace, they are sticklers about it. That said, I have not had the same experience in other centers.

[HRutila]

Kevin,

Years ago, that was true, I'd frequently have ATC ask for name and phone number for the tapes but I haven't had that happen at all in recent years, in a wide range of airspace. Instead, I'm just cleared to the destination, direct (this is usually within close proximity of the destination when I have to descend through a layer while flying VFR over the top).

That’s interesting. It may vary from region to region then because it certainly happens in Texas. Harold Rutila just recently had an instance where he wanted IFR just to punch through a small layer and then he was planning to cancel but ATC wouldn’t give it to him without having him go talk to FSS first.

Accurate!

[rtataryn]

Harold Rutila just recently had an instance where he wanted IFR just to punch through a small layer and then he was planning to cancel but ATC wouldn’t give it to him without having him go talk to FSS first.

Accurate!

Wow. Interesting. Up here in the weather-stricken mountain northwest I've never had the request for a pop-up IFR denied. Nor have I ever heard of that happening to anyone. I can certainly see the potential for problems that may occur from that policy, especially up here.